The other day, an anonymous reader, asked me for my views on the economic
case for shutting the door on immigration.
There are many views, opinions and arguments regarding the advantages and
disadvantages of migration and how it has affected us nationally and locally.
If one looks on immigration from a positive, controlled
point of view; in many cases host countries may find job vacancies and skills
gaps can be filled which in turn may lead to sustained economic growth and those host
countries can be greatly enriched by cultural diversity.
Over many years, operating immigration in a properly controlled
way, we here in the UK have benefited enormously from some of the most
intelligent and ambitious individuals, who for a variety of reasons have become
unsatisfied with their own countries, and brought their skills to the UK. Hundreds of thousands of others we actively invited here to fill the enormous employment gaps left after WW2.
Some may well have been educated here and have chosen to
stay. Others, once educated choose to return home to their country of origin,
to help their fellow man and be of benefit to their own nation.
However, on the negative side, one could argue that,
in more recent times, immigrants willing to work for reduced wages could see a depression of wages,
which in some cases has seen unscrupulous employers ignoring productivity,
training and innovation and exploiting migrant workers.
Personally, it’s my opinion that both legal and illegal immigration
seems to have very little real impact on the UK’s unemployment rates, as it has been
reasonably steady, even with the expected impact that the ‘recession’ has had on it.
Undocumented workers certainly do take some of the jobs that would otherwise go
to legal workers. But undocumented workers also create many demands that leads to the creation of new
jobs. They buy food and cars and pay rent, they get haircuts and go to
supermarkets just like the rest of us, so on average, there really is no real
net impact on the unemployment rate.
But, again, in my opinion the basic problem that we have here in the UK is the
extra 2.5million (estimated because home office records on immigration were largely
unrecorded) and that massive increase in population over the last decade that has put added pressure on public
services. This huge, totally unexpected increase, which has happened now under
several Governments, has had a detrimental strain on the costs incurred in the
provision of resources such as education, social services, security, crime, benefits and health facilities.
Add to legitimate immigration, the unknown numbers of illegal
immigration that has emerged in some parts of the country. This too has proven
to be an added burden to the nation’s economy and our social welfare.
This has brought about widely thought premise; which has not helped by exaggerated stories in the popular press, that this unrestricted number of
incomers has indeed had an effect on the nation’s unemployment, which in certain areas it has and has caused difficulties with integration has caused friction with local people. But it not rife throughout the nation; just in those pockets that have become 'mini-nations' within our nation.
Also, with the EU’s rulings covering the ease of movement from
many more of the newly ascended East European countries, has facilitated a rise in organised crime and
people trafficking.
Another factor, although I have no facts other than my own observations to back this up, it seems to me
that many immigrants, especially here in Tameside, have not faced the facts that not only are they leaving
their home country behind, they're leaving a culture behind too.
Recently, I believe Ed Miliband made a speech admitting that
during their time in office, Labour, “Got it wrong on immigration!
By the sound of it he was presumably trying to distance himself from his ex-boss, who came out with a highly politically charged statement: “British Jobs for British Workers". (More BNP than Labour!)
By the sound of it he was presumably trying to distance himself from his ex-boss, who came out with a highly politically charged statement: “British Jobs for British Workers". (More BNP than Labour!)
There will always be questions of racism and discrimination
that arise as a result of the growing diversity of immigration into the UK but,
immigrants must also take some responsibility if there is to be a smooth
integration of cultures. For instance, one example of the enormous problem of
integration could be solved by ensuring that all migrants and minorities
learn and speak English.
I could probably write a whole tome on the subject, but time and
space precludes.
However, hopefully I trust that the questioner appreciates the fact that I have at least tried to put my thoughts without any xenophobic thoughts or political bias.
However, hopefully I trust that the questioner appreciates the fact that I have at least tried to put my thoughts without any xenophobic thoughts or political bias.
Wow! They'll be coming after you next.
ReplyDeleteVery daring article in big brother Britain.
I disagree on your interpretation of the spending habits of migrant workers, I employed 6 Polish HGV drivers and am well aware of just how much of their income went back to Poland. Yes there is an element of increased spending in the UK, but employing Native UK workers would reduce unemployment by a greater proportion than you have estimated. Had I had the choice I would have employed UK citizens. As an aside the HGV driver shortage can be wholly laid at the doors of the EU.
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ReplyDeleteYes you are perfectly right, many immigrant workers do send their monies home. But many years ago, whilst out in Malaysia I meet the Fire Chief of Malacca. He proudly showed me around his Fire Station where I noticed they operated DENNIS fire engines. When I asked; He told me these were the engines he had trained on in the UK and when he was appointed Fire Chief, He ordered 4 of them from the UK!
There's no doubt immigration is a subject with many facets.
C
PS On matters regarding the EU I am in total agreement!
It is indeed a massive subject, which is subject to massive over-simplification by all political parties(including UKIP). It is a sad fact that some politicians will not allow an honest open debate on the subject. I suppose the nearest we will ever get to a consensus on the subject is that uncontrolled,unskilled immigration for the purpose of permanent settlement is a bad thing for the majority of the current UK population. This fact will of course be denied by politicians who have something to gain from it.
ReplyDeleteAs for integration, we are a long way from it at the moment, but I am sure it will happen over a couple of generations.
C, if immigrants come here to work and pay their taxes and actually want to integrate then I don't have a problem with that. It's the ones who have no intention of integrating or working and are only here for the benefit system that I object to.
ReplyDeleteAs for the immigrants who commit crimes and are imprisoned, well they should be deported immediately upon release. It's just a pity we can't do that with our own low lives.
What I cannot understand with a certain section of these people, is they that leave a country they do not like, come here, then try to change this country into a copy of where they left.
Bill
http://www.walksintameside.co.uk
There are some very good points of view being aired here. Maybe one or two of our local politicians (MPs not the toy ones)who I know read this blog, should start a real debate on the subject.
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The ukip poster is not a nationalist in any way shape or form.
ReplyDeleteThe mole seeking information, the spy.
As the original commenter, I'd like to thank you for your comprehensive response to my question.
ReplyDeleteI think there's much we agree on around the benefits of immigration to Britain over the years and the misinformation spread which has clouded the debate. As you imply, if migrants weren't available to do a job for low wages, the job probably wouldn't have been created in the first place. I accept your concerns over integration and assimilation, although I can't help but wonder whether this is somewhat of a two way street, in that some immigrants fail to integrate for the simple reason that many Britons have made it quite clear that they aren't welcome here.
I'd just like to throw in a few more points regarding this to add to the debate. There is some concern around the "strain" on public services due to immigration. Whilst this may certainly have geographical and local infrastructure-related causes, I don't accept that any financial strain is down to immigration.
Research by CReAM at UCL (http://www.cream-migration.org/publ_uploads/CDP_18_09.pdf) has shown that "A8 immigrants who arrived after EU enlargement in 2004, and who have at least one year of residence – and are therefore legally eligible to claim benefits - are 60% less likely than natives to receive state benefits or tax credits, and 58% less likely to live in social housing" and "since enlargement in 2004, A8 immigrants made a positive contribution to public finance despite the fact that the UK has been running a budget deficit over the last years. This is because they have a higher labour force participation rate, pay proportionately more in indirect taxes, and make much lower use of benefits and public services". When I speak to libertarian economists (who I disagree with on almost everything) they're quick to cite these same points in favour of more open border policies.
Additionally, the DWP stats (http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/alex-massie/2013/02/the-myth-of-the-immigrant-benefit-moocher-part-two/) show that only 7,000 Poles (out of the 500,000 who have migrated to the UK) are claiming JSA, and only 13,000 in total from the A8 countries are claiming.
Similarly, the crime rate for those European migrants is actually lower than that of the native population according to the Home Office: one conviction per 78 EU migrants VS one conviction per 73 Brits. Of course this is only A8 countries, and doesn't take into account non-EU migrants, though I can't imagine those stats being much different.
Of course there's issues and problems with immigration, but because so much of the current discourse is factually inaccurate, we'll probably never get to discuss it properly. Which is a shame.